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So, the paradox was that whether X was free software depended on where you made the measurement. If you made the measurement coming out of the developers' group, you'd say, &ldquo;I observe all these freedoms. It's free software.&rdquo; If you made the measurements among the users you'd say, &ldquo;Hmm, most users don't have these freedoms. It's not free software.&rdquo; Well, the people who developed X didn't consider this a problem, because their goal was just popularity, ego, essentially. They wanted a big professional success. They wanted to feel, &ldquo;Ah, lots of people are using our software.&rdquo; And that was true. Lots of people were using their software but didn't have freedom.